QBC-MONTREAL-L: [MONTREAL] Re: Ross and Hargrave

From: “Malcolm & Jennifer Sissons”

Subject: [MONTREAL] Re: Ross and Hargrave

Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 16:00:27 -0700

HI JOANNE

Yes there were Ross descendants of James Ross and Mary Hargrave who went to

Benton Co, Indiana. Another branch of the Hargrave family went to Illinois.

I have some lists of who they were and how they were related but not much

other detail I’m afraid. I have copied this to two Ross descendants as

well.

>

> -Where is Medicine Hat????

Medicine Hat is in the SE corner of Alberta. It is on the TransCanada

Highway and the main line of the Canadian Pacific Railway and straddles the

South Saskatchewan River. Established 1883, same year as James Hargrave

arrived.

The Hargrave family was very strong Presbyterian so that is generally where

I look (cemeteries, birth registries, etc.). These Rosses are definitely

tied in. The Hargrave family came from Kelso and Hawick in Roxburghshire on

the borders of Scotland. They had originally been English prior to 1645 but

were covenanters and so ended up taking refuge in Scotland.

I don’t know if this helps you with the Strachan family but you should not

get too hung up on the spelling because I think it was likely pronounced

more like Strawn back then. I have McRaes and McKenzies in my mother’s line

and for a while I was thrown off by MacRa and MacKennie spellings but in

fact that is how the names were pronounced in the 1850s. In Gaelic I don’t

think you pronounce a consonant which preceeds an H so Strachan would be

Stra’an although I don’t think it is necessarily a Gaelic name?

Thanks for this information. I will print and cross reference to the names

I have. If you want to see the families I have for that area, let me know.

Cheers

Malcolm

>

> James Ross was on the 1841 , Jamestown , Beauharius (later Chateauguay) Co

> QUEBEC census. Pg 1812, Line #13.

> James ROSS, farmer, nine in family, two natives of Scotland, 7 natives of

> Canada, in Provance 23 yrs, one male under 5, 1 female under 5, 2 males et

> 5&14, 1 fem between 5 & 14, one single male bet 14 & 18, one married male

> bet 30 and 60, 1 married fem bet 14 & 45.

> Number of acres: 78, number of people church of Scotland 9.

> Neighbors were my Alexander STRACHAN (mispelled Straghan), and Andrew

> STRACHAN (Straghan). The three heads of family all seemed to have been

in

> Canada for 22 / 23 years. And all were born in Scotland.

> ——-

> On the 1851 QUEBEC census, unfortunately, the first part of the ROSS

family

> is missing as I was copying the page my Ellen (SYMNS) STRACHAN, widow of

> Alexander, and family were on.

> Page 119 begins with the tail end of the ROSS family:

> John Ross, born Canada, Presbyterian, age 16

> Mary Ross age 12

> Robert Ross age 9

> June Hardgrave age 49 born Canada

> ———————

> On the 1870 Benton Co IN census was:

>

> HARGRAVE, Andrew, age 61, farmer RE 00/ PP $800, born Scotland

> Margaret age 46? 66? born Canada

> James 16 born Canada

> Andrew 13 b Illinois

> e;ozabetj 10 born Illinois,

> Lillie (?) 8 born Illinois

> John 5 born Illinois

> Pg 6

> BROWNE, Allen 30 farmer RE $3200/700 born NY

> Margaret 23 born Canada

> HARGRAVE, Jane, famale 28 Teacher, born Canada

> WILSON, Matt 17 laborer born Canada

> PIERSON, Cris? 20 laborer born Ohio

> HARGRAVE, Jennett , female 18 domestic, born Canada

>

> Page 6

> ROSS, Josoeph age 31, RE $4800/PP $1000, born Canada,

> Margaret 36 born Canada

> Mary 11 born Illinois

> Agness 5 born Ill

> Ela 4 born Ill

> James 1/12 born Indiana,

> ALLEN, Thomas 18 farm laborer born Canada

> ————-

> In York Twp, Benton Co, IN, 1900 census. Page 04a

>

> Line 49 Household 75.

> ROSS, James , head, born Jan 1829, age 71, widowed, born Canada, parents

> both born Scotland, into country 1876, in US for 24 yrs, Naaturalized

> citizen, Occupation: Bond Holder, own property, free and clear, house,

can

> read , write and speak English.

>

> Line 50, (living in the same household with James ROSS)

> HARGROVE, Jane , Relationshiop to head of household: Servant, born

March

> 1842, age 58, single, born Canada, occupation: servant. Unknown

how

> many years in country, etc. Can read & write and speak Eng.

> ———————-

> Member of these ROSSW and HARGRAVE families were also on the 1880 Benton

Co

> IN census.

> ————————–

> My STRACHAN and BONNETT families were also in this same census for 1870

and

> 1880.

> David STRACHAN and family later moved to South Dakota, thmas STRACHAN

stayed

> in Indiana, my BONNETT family moved across the state line to Sheldon,

> Illinois.

> The STRACHAN family and the ROSS and HARGRAVE/HARGROVE families all seem

to

> move to the same places up to a point. I always suspected that they were

> interrelated in some way, probably through the wives.

> Alexander STRACHAN’s wife Ellen was a SIM / SYMNS. He died in 1849 near

> Ormstown (Jamestown).

>

> I have really good luck tracking down allied families. Tlhey frequently

> know more about the families’ history than members of my own immediate

> family do.

>

> Hope this helps some.

> Joanne in California, USA

>

Melungeon-L: [Melungeon] WOODRUFF/FOSTER/CAMPBELL/BARBER/ tons more:)

From: BUNCHD@aol.com

Subject: [Melungeon] WOODRUFF/FOSTER/CAMPBELL/BARBER/ tons more:)

Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:38:03 EST

Howdy,

>From my files and your emails:)

later,

dan bunch

TX

gardlier family 1.ged

Emma R. Woodruff. Born 22 Dec 1861 Roadstown, Cumberland County, New Jersey.

Died 24 Jan 1937 South Dennis, Cape May County, New Jersey. She was the

daughter of Nathan Woodruff and Beulah O. Brown.

She married Robert C. McCormick. Born 4 Dec 1855 South Dennis, Cape May

County, New Jersey. Died 4 May 1927 Sag Harbor, Suffolk County, New York.

Children of Emma R. Woodruff and Robert C. McCormick are:

1. Louis E. McCormick. Born 20 Apr 1881 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Died 25

May 1908 .

2. Carl L. McCormick. Born 25 Oct 1883 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Died 17

Jul 1964 Atlantic County, New Jersey.

3. Mary A. McCormick. Born 12 Jan 1900 South Dennis, Cape May County, New

Jersey. Died 27 Jan 1919 South Dennis, Cape May County, New Jersey.

4. Catherine M. McCormick. Born 24 Sep 1904 South Dennis, Cape May County,

New Jersey. Died 16 Oct 1986 .

Nathan Woodruff.

He married Beulah O. Brown. Born ABT 1840 New Jersey. Children of Nathan

Woodruff and Beulah O. Brown are:

1. Emma R. Woodruff. Born 22 Dec 1861 Roadstown, Cumberland County, New

Jersey. Died 24 Jan 1937 South Dennis, Cape May County, New Jersey.

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GARDLIER FAMILY 1.GED

Esther Foster. Born ABT 1712 Cape May County, New Jersey.

She married George Stites. Born ABT 1709 Cape May County, New Jersey. Died

Cape May County, New Jersey. Children of Esther Foster and George Stites are:

1. William Stites. Born 21 Jun 1730 Cape May County, New Jersey.

2. George Stites. Born 12 May 1734 Cape May County, New Jersey. Died 13 Aug

1777 Trenton, Mercer County, New Jersey.

3. Thomas Stites. Born 17 Mar 1735 Cincinnati, Ohio.

She married Nathaniel Jenkins. Born ABT 1705 Cape May County, New Jersey.

Children of Esther Foster and Nathaniel Jenkins are:

1. Evan Jenkins. Born ABT 1757 Cape May County, New Jersey.

Harriett Foster. Born ABT 1820 Ohio.

She married Rufus H. Campbell. Born 3 Feb 1815 Genoa, Cayuga County, New

York.

Darius P. Campbell. Born 1 Apr 1818 Westfield, Chautauqua County, New York.

Died 18 Sep 1863 White Sulphur Sp, , West Virginia. He was the son of William

H.l Campbell and Sally Belnap.

He married Sarah Shaw. Born ABT 1818 Ohio.

Siblings of Darius P. Campbell

1. Elmira M. Campbell. Born 3 Feb 1813 Genoa, Cayuga County, New York. Died

30 Jul 1840 .

2. Rufus H. Campbell. Born 3 Feb 1815 Genoa, Cayuga County, New York.

Rufus H. Campbell. Born 3 Feb 1815 Genoa, Cayuga County, New York. He was the

son of William H.l Campbell and Sally Belnap.

He married Huldah Mount. Born ABT 1819 . Died 3 Jan 1844 .

He married Harriett Foster. Born ABT 1820 Ohio.

Siblings of Rufus H. Campbell

1. Elmira M. Campbell. Born 3 Feb 1813 Genoa, Cayuga County, New York. Died

30 Jul 1840 .

2. Darius P. Campbell. Born 1 Apr 1818 Westfield, Chautauqua County, New

York. Died 18 Sep 1863 White Sulphur Sp, , West Virginia.

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SAME GEDCOM AS ABOVE:)

Isaac Barber.

He married Mary Lippincott. Born Oct 1762 New Jersey. Died 1851 Columbiana

County, Ohio. Children of Isaac Barber and Mary Lippincott are:

1. Jacob Barber. Born Pilesgrove Township, Salem County, New Jersey.

2. Rebecca Barber.

3. Isaac Barber.

4. Mary A. Barber.

5. Jane Barber.

Walter Carroll. Born 8 Dec 1928 Michigan. Died 8 Jun 1996 Sebastian,

Arkansas.

He married Mary Daniels. Born 1930 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

He married Unknown.

He married Unknown. Children of Walter Carroll and Unknown are:

1. Marlene Carroll. Born 1956 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

Mary Carroll.

She married Thomas G. Lowe. Born 28 Oct 1910 Franklin, Franklin County,

Idaho. Died 10 May 1983 Provo, Utah County, Utah.

Marlene Carroll. Born 1956 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. She was the daughter

of Walter Carroll.

She married Daryl Gunn. Born 1958 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Children of

Marlene Carroll and Daryl Gunn are:

1. David Gunn. Born 1991 .

Allison Curtis. Born 23 Aug 1988 Florida. She was the daughter of Mark Curtis

and Donna .

Siblings of Allison Curtis

1. Christopher Curtis. Born 27 Jan 1987 Florida.

Christopher Curtis. Born 27 Jan 1987 Florida. He was the son of Mark Curtis

and Donna .

Siblings of Christopher Curtis

1. Allison Curtis. Born 23 Aug 1988 Florida.

Elizabeth Curtis.

She married William Berry. Born ABT 1755 Kent County, Delaware. Died Nov 1819

Kent County, Delaware.

Jane Curtis.

She married John Sharp. Born 29 Oct 1661 London, England. Died 9 Dec 1729

Burlington County, New Jersey.

Joseph Curtis. Born ABT 1737 Burlington County, New Jersey. Died 1775 .

He married Rachel Gaskill. Born 18 Nov 1739 Springfield, Burlington County,

New Jersey. Died 27 Feb 1812 Upper Evesham Township, Burlington County, New

Jersey.

Mark Curtis.

He married Donna . Born 21 Feb 1967 Florida. Children of Mark Curtis and

Donna are:

1. Christopher Curtis. Born 27 Jan 1987 Florida.

2. Allison Curtis. Born 23 Aug 1988 Florida.

Edward Hughes. Born Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

He married Stacy Gardler. Born 3 Oct 1970 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

Children of Edward Hughes and Stacy Gardler are:

1. Edward Hughes. Born 13 Feb 1991 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

2. Kaylin Hughes. Born 14 Jun 1994 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

John Jacob Martin. Born 16 Dec 1888 St. Marie, Jasper, Illinois. Died 16 Jul

1946 San Francisco, San Francisco, California.

He married Hilma M. Belnap. Born 25 Apr 1895 Hooper, Weber County, Utah. Died

1 Mar 1970 San Joaquin, San Joaquin County, California.

Domenico Rose. He was the son of Gaetano Rose and Maria Leva.

He married Anna Kopter.

Siblings of Domenico Rose

1. Jack Rose. Born 1905 . Died 1964 .

2. Francesco Rose.

3. Giuseppe Rose. Born 1901 . Died 1985 Inwood, Nassau County, New York.

4. Filomena Rose.

5. Nunziato Rose.

Rose.

She married Guiseppe Bongiorno. Born 1893 Sicily, Italy. Died 17 Sep 1941

Chicago, Cook County, Illinois.

Aaron C. Ross. Born 11 Nov 1879 Ogden, Weber County, Utah. Died 31 Jul 1932

Ogden, Weber County, Utah.

He married Tirzah A. Belnap. Born 3 Sep 1881 Hooper, Weber County, Utah. Died

18 Jun 1969 Ogden, Weber County, Utah.

Agnes Ross. Born 26 Aug 1831 Ormstown, Quebec, Canada. Died 21 Jun 1921

Spokane County, Washington. She was the daughter of James Ross and Mary

Hargrave.

She married James W. Mack. Born 24 Sep 1833 Huntingdon, Quebec, Canada. Died

12 Sep 1904 Spokane County, Washington. Children of Agnes Ross and James W.

Mack are:

1. Mary Ross Mack. Born 8 May 1859 Huntingdon, Quebec, Canada.

2. John Mack. Born 4 Aug 1861 Huntingdon, Quebec, Canada. Died 30 Jun 1947

Victoria, British Columbia, Canada.

3. James R. Mack. Born 24 Aug 1863 Huntingdon, Quebec, Canada. Died 1 Apr

1881 Huntingdon, Quebec, Canada.

4. Robert Mack. Born 13 Jan 1866 Huntingdon, Quebec, Canada. Died 2 Jul 1933

Berkeley, California.

5. William R. Mack. Born 16 Feb 1868 Huntingdon, Quebec, Canada. Died 2 Jul

1933 Spokane County, Washington.

6. Margaret W. Mack. Born 15 Oct 1870 Huntingdon, Quebec, Canada.

7. Agnes J. Mack. Born 14 Jun 1873 Huntingdon, Quebec, Canada. Died 13 Nov

1918 Spokane County, Washington.

8. Christena B. Mack. Born 29 Sep 1875 Huntingdon, Quebec, Canada. Died 11

Apr 1883 Huntingdon, Quebec, Canada.

Siblings of Agnes Ross

1. William Ross. Born 5 Mar 1824 Montreal, Quebec, Canada. Died 8 Nov 1904 .

2. Jane Ross. Born 19 Feb 1826 Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. Died 22 Oct 1916 .

3. James Ross. Born 28 Jan 1829 Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. Died 29 Jul 1906 .

4. Joseph Ross. Born 17 Oct 1833 Ormstown, Quebec, Canada. Died 12 Apr 1911 .

5. John Ross. Born 1835 . Died 14 Jul 1836 .

6. John Ross. Born 17 Oct 1837 Ormstown, Quebec, Canada. Died 26 Oct 1920 .

7. Mary Ross. Born 19 Oct 1839 Ormstown, Quebec, Canada. Died 26 Aug 1921 .

8. Robert Ross. Born 8 Dec 1843 Ormstown, Quebec, Canada. Died AFT 1923 .

Catherine WHeeler.

She married George Callahan. Children of Catherine WHeeler and George

Callahan are:

1. Catherine Callahan.

William Gibson. Born 6 Jul 1935 Pennsylvania.

He married France J. Hayes. Born 18 Nov 1948 Pennsylvania.

Mary D. Collins.

She married Henry W. Albro. Children of Mary D. Collins and Henry W. Albro

are:

1. Henry S. Albro. Born 24 May 1873 Liverpool, Nova Scotia. Died 11 Mar 1951

West Townsend, Massachusetts.

2. Agnes Albro.

Margaret A. Collins.

She married Nathaniel L. Warren. Born 20 Apr 1807 Kent County, Delaware.

Agneta Collins.

She married Elizeus Gardler. Born ABT 1601 St. Andrews, Plymoth, Devon,

England.

Thomas F. Carey. He was the son of Thomas F. Carey and Mary C. DiCroce.

He married Judith Kundrath. Children of Thomas F. Carey and Judith Kundrath

are:

1. Christina R. Carey.

Siblings of Thomas F. Carey

1. Mary A. Carey.

Samuel Davis.

He married Ann Rudderow. Born ABT 1680 Burlington County, New Jersey.

Elisha Vose, my ggg-father, was in the 1st Maine Cavalry Company D, part of the 1st DC Cavalry.

Cooper/Bryson Tie-in

Agnes Bryson=1C3R

(1) Alexander Younie (1791 – 1863 prior to)

& Isabel Laing (1803 – 14 Apr 1890)

m. Unknown

(2) Margaret Younie (11 Apr 1833 – )

(2) William Younie (16 Nov 1835 – )

(2) Annie (Ann) Younie (14 Sep 1837 – 1930)

& Simeon Merrill Cooper (31 Dec 1837 – 16 Feb 1915)

m. 14 Oct 1863, Ormstown St Paul’s Presbyterian Church in Ormstown

(1) Merrill Cooper (3 Aug 1796 – 20 Mar 1867)

& Orrin Babcock (19 May 1806 – 12 Sep 1894)

m. 6 Sep 1821

(2) Eldest Daughter Cooper (1822 Prob – 12 Jul 1822)

(2) Jason Cooper* (12 Aug 1823 – 29 Dec 1901)

& Susan Racey (9 Aug 1826 – 8 Jan 1874)

m. Unknown

(2) Jason Cooper* (12 Aug 1823 – 29 Dec 1901)

& Edna Eyena Drew-Ellethorpe ( – 1 Jun 1889)

m. 14 Nov 1878,Residence of G.W.Drew, Huntingdon, Rev. George Rogers

(3) Son Cooper (26 Mar 1884 – )

(2) Jason Cooper* (12 Aug 1823 – 29 Dec 1901)

& Mrs Cynthia E Carr

m. 7 Jan 1896, Of Elgin Twnship,PQ, at Malone, NY at ME Parsonage.

(2) Nathaniel E Cooper (13 Aug 1826 – 2/20/1832 or 1836)

(2) Belinda Cooper (15 Apr 1828 – 28 Nov 1906)

& John Hill (2 May 1820 – 7 Jan 1897)

m. 1848, Province of Quebec

(3) Wesley Hill

(3) Levi Hill

& Belle Said (1863 – 1954)

m. Unknown

(3) Amarilla Hill (1851 – 1932)

& E. A. Belcher (1844 – 1910)

(2) Elias Babcock Cooper (1 Jun 1830 – 1 May 1870)

(2) James Brenton Cooper (14 Oct 1832 – 14 Mar 1911)

& Mary Miller (22 Feb 1840 – 10 Aug 1923)

m. 3 Jul 1862, Canada

(3) Harriet (Hattie) Maria Cooper (29 Aug 1863 – 4 Jul 1933)

& Malcolm Angus “Mac Angus” MacDiarmid

m. 2 Sep 1887, Ottawa, Carleton, Ontario, Canada

(3) Alfred W. Cooper (9 Feb 1866 – )

& Maggie ???? (Cooper)

(3) Modie Mosses Miller Cooper (4 Jul 1873 – )

& Sarah ??? (Cooper)

m. abt 1897

(3) George Samuel Cooper (10 Jan 1876 – 16 Mar 1952)

& Florence Mildred Norrington (19 Jul 1879 – 19 Sep 1971)

m. 5 Jan 1901, Seattle, King County, Washington

(2) Martha Ann Cooper (16 Jun 1836 – )

(2) Simeon Merrill Cooper (31 Dec 1837 – 16 Feb 1915)

& Annie (Ann) Younie (14 Sep 1837 – 1930)

m. 14 Oct 1863, Ormstown St Paul’s Presbyterian Church in Ormstown

(3) Isabella Amanda Cooper (30 Sep 1864 – )

& John Morrin Tinning

m. 17 Jun 1896, At residence of Bride’s father,Ormstown PQ

(3) Merrill Alexander Cooper* (23 Jul 1867 – )

& Agnes Ross Bryson (10 Oct 1867 – 1 Apr 1910)

m. 28 Oct 1896, Ormstown St Paul’s Presbyterian Church

(3) Merrill Alexander Cooper* (23 Jul 1867 – )

& Annie St Louis

m. Date unknown

(4) Everett Cooper

& Noreen Patterson

(5) David Cooper

(5) Donald Cooper

(4) Gordon Cooper

& Shirley Welstead

(5) James Nicholas Cooper

(3) George Arthur Cooper* (29 Mar 1870 – )

& Annie Brodie

(3) George Arthur Cooper* (29 Mar 1870 – )

& Sarah Mclean Gow

(3) Frederick Cooper (7 Feb 1876 – )

& Marie Underwood

(2) Catherine Cooper (5 May 1840 – 5 Apr 1909)

& William M or B Learmont (29 Jul 1843 – 26 Sep 1917)

m. 18 Mar 1864, Malone, New York , J R Hemik clergyman.

(3) Rhoda Keona Learmont (17 Dec 1864 – 22 Feb 1904)

& Albert A Bull (1862 – 1923)

m. Unknown

(3) James Merrill Learmont (11 Jan 1868 – 3 Oct 1939)

& Clara Etta Virgil (12 Jan 1873 – 20 Mar 1958)

m. 4 Dec 1901, Corinth Twp, Humboldt, Ia, Rev Marion D Reed

(3) Orin Elizabeth Learmont (25 Jan 1869 – 1920)

& George Mortimer Harrison (20 Sep 1861 – 24 Sep 1961)

m. 30 Oct 1889, Per Paul Litt.

(3) Hattie Merrety Learmont (26 Dec 1870 – 6 Mar 1894)

(3) William Arthur Learmont (29 Nov 1877 – 16 Sep 1945)

& Fannie Eliza Virgil (27 Feb 1879 – Jun 1967)

m. 4 Feb 1900, Blackwell, Oklahoma

(3) Franklin Pierce Learmont (5 Oct 1880 – 1952 or 1953 or 1961)

& Ethel May Hoffaine (Hoffvine) (27 Dec – )

m. Unknown

(2) Lydia R Cooper (7 Jun 1842 – 19 Mar 1862)

(2) Speedy A Cooper (12 Nov 1844 – 28 Mar 1851)

(2) Nathaniel E Cooper (24 Mar 1847 – 6 Apr 1851)

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