QBC-MONTREAL-L: [MONTREAL] Re: Ross and Hargrave
From: “Malcolm & Jennifer Sissons”
Subject: [MONTREAL] Re: Ross and Hargrave
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 16:00:27 -0700
HI JOANNE
Yes there were Ross descendants of James Ross and Mary Hargrave who went to
Benton Co, Indiana. Another branch of the Hargrave family went to Illinois.
I have some lists of who they were and how they were related but not much
other detail I’m afraid. I have copied this to two Ross descendants as
well.>
> -Where is Medicine Hat????
Medicine Hat is in the SE corner of Alberta. It is on the TransCanada
Highway and the main line of the Canadian Pacific Railway and straddles the
South Saskatchewan River. Established 1883, same year as James Hargrave
arrived.The Hargrave family was very strong Presbyterian so that is generally where
I look (cemeteries, birth registries, etc.). These Rosses are definitely
tied in. The Hargrave family came from Kelso and Hawick in Roxburghshire on
the borders of Scotland. They had originally been English prior to 1645 but
were covenanters and so ended up taking refuge in Scotland.I don’t know if this helps you with the Strachan family but you should not
get too hung up on the spelling because I think it was likely pronounced
more like Strawn back then. I have McRaes and McKenzies in my mother’s line
and for a while I was thrown off by MacRa and MacKennie spellings but in
fact that is how the names were pronounced in the 1850s. In Gaelic I don’t
think you pronounce a consonant which preceeds an H so Strachan would be
Stra’an although I don’t think it is necessarily a Gaelic name?Thanks for this information. I will print and cross reference to the names
I have. If you want to see the families I have for that area, let me know.Cheers
Malcolm>
> James Ross was on the 1841 , Jamestown , Beauharius (later Chateauguay) Co
> QUEBEC census. Pg 1812, Line #13.
> James ROSS, farmer, nine in family, two natives of Scotland, 7 natives of
> Canada, in Provance 23 yrs, one male under 5, 1 female under 5, 2 males et
> 5&14, 1 fem between 5 & 14, one single male bet 14 & 18, one married male
> bet 30 and 60, 1 married fem bet 14 & 45.
> Number of acres: 78, number of people church of Scotland 9.
> Neighbors were my Alexander STRACHAN (mispelled Straghan), and Andrew
> STRACHAN (Straghan). The three heads of family all seemed to have been
in
> Canada for 22 / 23 years. And all were born in Scotland.
> ——-
> On the 1851 QUEBEC census, unfortunately, the first part of the ROSS
family
> is missing as I was copying the page my Ellen (SYMNS) STRACHAN, widow of
> Alexander, and family were on.
> Page 119 begins with the tail end of the ROSS family:
> John Ross, born Canada, Presbyterian, age 16
> Mary Ross age 12
> Robert Ross age 9
> June Hardgrave age 49 born Canada
> ———————
> On the 1870 Benton Co IN census was:
>
> HARGRAVE, Andrew, age 61, farmer RE 00/ PP $800, born Scotland
> Margaret age 46? 66? born Canada
> James 16 born Canada
> Andrew 13 b Illinois
> e;ozabetj 10 born Illinois,
> Lillie (?) 8 born Illinois
> John 5 born Illinois
> Pg 6
> BROWNE, Allen 30 farmer RE $3200/700 born NY
> Margaret 23 born Canada
> HARGRAVE, Jane, famale 28 Teacher, born Canada
> WILSON, Matt 17 laborer born Canada
> PIERSON, Cris? 20 laborer born Ohio
> HARGRAVE, Jennett , female 18 domestic, born Canada
>
> Page 6
> ROSS, Josoeph age 31, RE $4800/PP $1000, born Canada,
> Margaret 36 born Canada
> Mary 11 born Illinois
> Agness 5 born Ill
> Ela 4 born Ill
> James 1/12 born Indiana,
> ALLEN, Thomas 18 farm laborer born Canada
> ————-
> In York Twp, Benton Co, IN, 1900 census. Page 04a
>
> Line 49 Household 75.
> ROSS, James , head, born Jan 1829, age 71, widowed, born Canada, parents
> both born Scotland, into country 1876, in US for 24 yrs, Naaturalized
> citizen, Occupation: Bond Holder, own property, free and clear, house,
can
> read , write and speak English.
>
> Line 50, (living in the same household with James ROSS)
> HARGROVE, Jane , Relationshiop to head of household: Servant, born
March
> 1842, age 58, single, born Canada, occupation: servant. Unknown
how
> many years in country, etc. Can read & write and speak Eng.
> ———————-
> Member of these ROSSW and HARGRAVE families were also on the 1880 Benton
Co
> IN census.
> ————————–
> My STRACHAN and BONNETT families were also in this same census for 1870
and
> 1880.
> David STRACHAN and family later moved to South Dakota, thmas STRACHAN
stayed
> in Indiana, my BONNETT family moved across the state line to Sheldon,
> Illinois.
> The STRACHAN family and the ROSS and HARGRAVE/HARGROVE families all seem
to
> move to the same places up to a point. I always suspected that they were
> interrelated in some way, probably through the wives.
> Alexander STRACHAN’s wife Ellen was a SIM / SYMNS. He died in 1849 near
> Ormstown (Jamestown).
>
> I have really good luck tracking down allied families. Tlhey frequently
> know more about the families’ history than members of my own immediate
> family do.
>
> Hope this helps some.
> Joanne in California, USA
>